Yours was the first place I was able to find these results. Thanks for posting them. Best of luck to you folks in New Paltz, and my personal congrats to Jason West. It's not often that someone, once beaten, decides to offer him or herself for service again.
Martin, last night I suggested to the Cameras That Be that our lone polling place is all-but-ready for live election night coverage. There's a modulator in the building, so all it would require would be some cable and a willing Fire Department.
By the quality of the video from village hall, the Cameras That Be would be the surveillance camera from the employees' lunch room at a cold storage warehouse.
The Village and it's idiots are screwed! This election was such a waste of time & money, especially considering the Town Board and Stupervisor Hog-inson are going to absorb the Village anyway. The only things I look forward to seeing here is the decrease in taxes when they downsize all the duplication of services and elimination of all the duplication of government.
"When you get right down to it, the American left is basically just a noisy Upper West side cocktail party for the college-graduate class.
And we all know it. The question is when will we finally admit it?
... The people who are the public voice of American liberalism rarely have any real connection to the ordinary working people whose interests they putatively champion. They tend instead to be well-off, college-educated yuppies from California or the East Coast, and hard as they try to worry about food stamps or veterans rights or securing federal assistance for heating oil bills, they invariably gravitate instead to things that actually matter to them like the slick Al Gore documentary on global warming, or the All Things Considered interview on NPR with the British author of Revolutionary Chinese Cookbook. They haven’t yet come up with something to replace the synergy of patrician and middle-class interests that the New Deal represented.
What makes the American left silly? Things that in a vacuum should be logical impossibilities are frighteningly common in lefty political scenes. The word oppression escaping, for any reason, the mouths of kids whose parents are paying 20 grand for them to go to private colleges. Academics in Prius' using the word Amerika, Ebonics, Fanetiks, and other such insane institutional manifestations of white guilt. Combat berets. Combat berets in conjunction with designer coffees. Combat berets in conjunction with designer coffees consumed at leisure in between conversational comparisons of America to Nazi Germany.
We all know where this stuff comes from. Anyone who has ever been to a lefty political meeting knows the deal; the problem is the spirit of inclusiveness stretched to the limits of absurdity. The post-sixties dogma that everyone’s viewpoint is legitimate, everyone’s choice about anything (lifestyle, gender, ethnicity, even class) is valid, that’s now so totally ingrained that at every single meeting, every time some yutz gets up and starts rambling about anything, no matter how ridiculous, no one ever tells him to shut the f&#! up. Next thing you know, you've got guys on stilts wearing mime makeup and Cat-in-the-Hat striped top-hats leading a half-million people at an anti-war rally. Why is that guy there? Because no one told him that war is a matter of life and death and that he should leave his f&#!ing stilts at home.
Rich liberals protesting the establishment is absurd because they are the establishment; they're just too embarrassed to admit it.
When they start embracing their position of privilege and taking responsibility for the power they already have striving to be the leaders of society they actually are, instead of playing at being aggrieved subjects they'll come across as wise and patriotic citizens, not like the terminally adolescent buffoons trapped in a corny sixties daydream they often seem to be now. They'll stop bringing puppets to marches and, more importantly, they'll start doing more than march."
"In a nutshell, leftists are virtually everything Rush Limbaugh says they are; elitist, overeducated weenies who have abandoned the working-class issues that once made liberalism a formidable political force...
The Progressive - It shies away from hardcore economic issues but howls endlessly about anything that sounds like a free-speech controversy, shrieking about the notorious bugbears of the post-9/11 “police state” (the Patriot Act, Total Information Awareness, CARNIVORE, etc.) in a way that reveals unmistakably, to those who are paying close attention, a not-so-secret desire to be relevant and threatening enough to warrant the extralegal attention of the FBI. It sells scads of Che t-shirts ($20 at the International ANSWER online store) and has a perfected a high-handed tone of moralistic finger-wagging, but its organizational capacity is almost nil. It says a lot, but does very little.
The progressive - No matter what it claims for a self-image, in reality it's the saddest collection of cowering; ineffectual ninnies ever assembled under one banner on God's green earth. And its ugly little secret is that it really doesn't mind being in the position it's in -- politically irrelevant and permanently relegated to the sidelines, tucked into its cozy little cottage industry of polysyllabic, ivory tower criticism. When you get right down to it, the American left is basically just a noisy Upper West side cocktail party for the college-graduate class." -- Matt Taibbi
Matt Taibbi wrote that and a lot more: http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/6352-The-American-Lefts-Silly-Victim-Complex.html
Copy/Paste; also check out ADBUSTERS (website)
Honesty is not a bad thing! Regardless of one's political affiliation, none of us should mask our principles behind a wall of lies perpetuated and perpetrated by the very establishment of which we are a member. I say be proud of who you are or want to be, even if it is anonymously. If one's party is motivated by increasing the size of government, stealing from the rich to give to the poor, over-reaching, endless & over taxation - I say embrace it. Don't outwardly lie, saying I didn't vote for him or her; take personal responsibility for your actions or the way you vote. Look - there is no ideological difference between modern Democrats or Republicans, so at the very least we owe it to ourselves and our children to be honest. If our party is bankrupting the nation, don't blame Bush; blame the rich, career, politicians on the left and right for putting us where we are. Then blame yourself for that politician being where he or she is. We are all eventually going to be held accountable for the situation that continues to unfold on national and local levels.
What I take from Taibbi is exact what he writes; don’t read too far into it. Remember what he said, “Rich liberals protesting the establishment is absurd because they are the establishment; they're just too embarrassed to admit it.” These are the people that instead of living it, they talk about living it… They sold out, kind of like what “they” accused Dylan of when he picked up an electric guitar – how ironic…
Hmmm..... Jason West won by a plurality, rather than a simple majority. I wonder now if he will propose that Idea #78 of his "100 Ideas for New Paltz" - "Elect the Mayor and Town Supervisor using runoffs, requiring the winner to be elected with a majority of votes, not just a plurality..." become part of Village Law.
I do not recall many Presidential candidates getting elected with a true majority. No revotes, there. I believe that Jason West has learned that SUNY students will vote, if stimulated, and he has correctly judged that they will be heard at the ballot box, as well as interested village residents. So, for future elections, I suggest that if one wishes to get elected to the village board, they make an effort to counter that advantage and spend campaign time with the students.
I'd love to know if he really was elected by students. Both seniors and students are eyed as strategic blocs, but it's largely guesswork to figure out how they really vote when they come out.
the data has not historically supported a solid student voting block in village elections, and this time around is no different.
in my very quick look at the preliminary data about 55-60 students registered on campus (district 9) - that's 6-7% of total voters - showed up yesterday. considering there are nearly 1100 registered - 33% of total registrants, they are most definitely NOT coming out to vote in droves. (it is harder to figure out the students that live in districts 1 & 4, but i suspect there are similar patterns)
about 55-60 woodland pond residents also voted yesterday, that is, 6-7% of total voters. but here are only 140ish total registrants, they represent only 4% of all registered voters. now, that that is a much higher turnout rate.
Terrance, Fire Dept DOES NOT have a modulator. And they are willing to always help the public, the sour taste in people's mouths, was caused by the former village admin. You ask so much from VOLUNTEERS, you know, maybe YOU should volunteer. You cant expect someone from the fd to sit there ALL night with you to record peoples reactions. They do enough already.
Take a deep breath and reread what I wrote before you get upset. I said, "there is a modulator in the building." It's upstairs in the village offices. The willingness needed by the fire department would be to allow a hole to be drilled and some cable run. I never even hinted that I would expect them to run the cameras . . . we have plenty of people qualified and willing to do that, so the firemen can focus their volunteer hours on their lifesaving activities.
Have I satisfied your concerns? Is asking for a hole more than the department is willing to agree to? I kinda doubt it, but I always have assumed the best about people.
I've done a detailed analysis of the "student vote" since the election of Tom Nyquist in his final term, through the 2007 election. I used very generous criteria for determining whether a voter was a "student" or not - anyone aged 25 or less living in Districts 9, 1 and 4. The "student vote" is a myth in each case, as the number of presumed students participating does not constitute the margin of victory. Based on what I saw at the polling place on Tuesday, as I was present from noon through 9:00pm, this past election was no exception to that rule. While it makes for good scare tactics, the long rumored/feared/solicited "student vote" does not exist.
This isn't exactly related to the results of the election but... how is it that the folks at Woodland Pond vote in the village elections? Aren't they outside of the village borders and are only in the town?
Paul, you are correct that Woodland Pond being part of the village defies reason. It probably would never have been built (at least in its present form) had it been under the purview of the town's zoning code and planning board; the village's code is completely unprepared for developments of this type. For example, the town's planning board expects a viewshed analysis on something this large as a matter of course, but the village's planning board (prior to my membership) didn't even contemplate the impact because the ridge isn't in the village, so who cares about impacts on tourism?
So yes, it's in the village, while neighboring Lent Farms is not. Go figure.
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Yours was the first place I was able to find these results. Thanks for posting them. Best of luck to you folks in New Paltz, and my personal congrats to Jason West. It's not often that someone, once beaten, decides to offer him or herself for service again.
Another term for a minority mayor. I think the village election law needs to be changed to allow a runoff if a candidate does not get a majority.
election results haiku...
steady morning rain
veiled sky slowly uplifting
feeling just groovy
Martin, last night I suggested to the Cameras That Be that our lone polling place is all-but-ready for live election night coverage. There's a modulator in the building, so all it would require would be some cable and a willing Fire Department.
By the quality of the video from village hall, the Cameras That Be would be the surveillance camera from the employees' lunch room at a cold storage warehouse.
The Village and it's idiots are screwed! This election was such a waste of time & money, especially considering the Town Board and Stupervisor Hog-inson are going to absorb the Village anyway. The only things I look forward to seeing here is the decrease in taxes when they downsize all the duplication of services and elimination of all the duplication of government.
THE AMERICAN LEFT'S SILLY VICTIM COMPLEX
by Matt Taibbi:
"When you get right down to it, the American left is basically just a noisy Upper West side cocktail party for the college-graduate class.
And we all know it. The question is when will we finally admit it?
... The people who are the public voice of American liberalism rarely have any real connection to the ordinary working people whose interests they putatively champion. They tend instead to be well-off, college-educated yuppies from California or the East Coast, and hard as they try to worry about food stamps or veterans rights or securing federal assistance for heating oil bills, they invariably gravitate instead to things that actually matter to them like the slick Al Gore documentary on global warming, or the All Things Considered interview on NPR with the British author of Revolutionary Chinese Cookbook. They haven’t yet come up with something to replace the synergy of patrician and middle-class interests that the New Deal represented.
What makes the American left silly? Things that in a vacuum should be logical impossibilities are frighteningly common in lefty political scenes. The word oppression escaping, for any reason, the mouths of kids whose parents are paying 20 grand for them to go to private colleges. Academics in Prius' using the word Amerika, Ebonics, Fanetiks, and other such insane institutional manifestations of white guilt. Combat berets. Combat berets in conjunction with designer coffees. Combat berets in conjunction with designer coffees consumed at leisure in between conversational comparisons of America to Nazi Germany.
We all know where this stuff comes from. Anyone who has ever been to a lefty political meeting knows the deal; the problem is the spirit of inclusiveness stretched to the limits of absurdity. The post-sixties dogma that everyone’s viewpoint is legitimate, everyone’s choice about anything (lifestyle, gender, ethnicity, even class) is valid, that’s now so totally ingrained that at every single meeting, every time some yutz gets up and starts rambling about anything, no matter how ridiculous, no one ever tells him to shut the f&#! up. Next thing you know, you've got guys on stilts wearing mime makeup and Cat-in-the-Hat striped top-hats leading a half-million people at an anti-war rally. Why is that guy there? Because no one told him that war is a matter of life and death and that he should leave his f&#!ing stilts at home.
Rich liberals protesting the establishment is absurd because they are the establishment; they're just too embarrassed to admit it.
When they start embracing their position of privilege and taking responsibility for the power they already have striving to be the leaders of society they actually are, instead of playing at being aggrieved subjects they'll come across as wise and patriotic citizens, not like the terminally adolescent buffoons trapped in a corny sixties daydream they often seem to be now. They'll stop bringing puppets to marches and, more importantly, they'll start doing more than march."
Ode to the Progressive:
"In a nutshell, leftists are virtually everything Rush Limbaugh says they are; elitist, overeducated weenies who have abandoned the working-class issues that once made liberalism a formidable political force...
The Progressive - It shies away from hardcore economic issues but howls endlessly about anything that sounds like a free-speech controversy, shrieking about the notorious bugbears of the post-9/11 “police state” (the Patriot Act, Total Information Awareness, CARNIVORE, etc.) in a way that reveals unmistakably, to those who are paying close attention, a not-so-secret desire to be relevant and threatening enough to warrant the extralegal attention of the FBI. It sells scads of Che t-shirts ($20 at the International ANSWER online store) and has a perfected a high-handed tone of moralistic finger-wagging, but its organizational capacity is almost nil. It says a lot, but does very little.
The progressive - No matter what it claims for a self-image, in reality it's the saddest collection of cowering; ineffectual ninnies ever assembled under one banner on God's green earth. And its ugly little secret is that it really doesn't mind being in the position it's in -- politically irrelevant and permanently relegated to the sidelines, tucked into its cozy little cottage industry of polysyllabic, ivory tower criticism. When you get right down to it, the American left is basically just a noisy Upper West side cocktail party for the college-graduate class."
-- Matt Taibbi
Matt Taibbi wrote that? Hard to believe.
Matt Taibbi wrote that and a lot more: http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/6352-The-American-Lefts-Silly-Victim-Complex.html
Copy/Paste; also check out ADBUSTERS (website)
Honesty is not a bad thing! Regardless of one's political affiliation, none of us should mask our principles behind a wall of lies perpetuated and perpetrated by the very establishment of which we are a member. I say be proud of who you are or want to be, even if it is anonymously. If one's party is motivated by increasing the size of government, stealing from the rich to give to the poor, over-reaching, endless & over taxation - I say embrace it. Don't outwardly lie, saying I didn't vote for him or her; take personal responsibility for your actions or the way you vote. Look - there is no ideological difference between modern Democrats or Republicans, so at the very least we owe it to ourselves and our children to be honest. If our party is bankrupting the nation, don't blame Bush; blame the rich, career, politicians on the left and right for putting us where we are. Then blame yourself for that politician being where he or she is. We are all eventually going to be held accountable for the situation that continues to unfold on national and local levels.
What I take from Taibbi is exact what he writes; don’t read too far into it. Remember what he said, “Rich liberals protesting the establishment is absurd because they are the establishment; they're just too embarrassed to admit it.” These are the people that instead of living it, they talk about living it… They sold out, kind of like what “they” accused Dylan of when he picked up an electric guitar – how ironic…
Hmmm..... Jason West won by a plurality, rather than a simple majority. I wonder now if he will propose that Idea #78 of his "100 Ideas for New Paltz" - "Elect the Mayor and Town Supervisor using runoffs, requiring the winner to be elected with a majority of votes, not just a plurality..." become part of Village Law.
I do not recall many Presidential candidates getting elected with a true majority. No revotes, there. I believe that Jason West has learned that SUNY students will vote, if stimulated, and he has correctly judged that they will be heard at the ballot box, as well as interested village residents. So, for future elections, I suggest that if one wishes to get elected to the village board, they make an effort to counter that advantage and spend campaign time with the students.
I'd love to know if he really was elected by students. Both seniors and students are eyed as strategic blocs, but it's largely guesswork to figure out how they really vote when they come out.
I mentioned in another thread that West got almost the exact number of votes as he got four years ago when he was defeated.
This election was not won, it was lost.
the data has not historically supported a solid student voting block in village elections, and this time around is no different.
in my very quick look at the preliminary data about 55-60 students registered on campus (district 9) - that's 6-7% of total voters - showed up yesterday. considering there are nearly 1100 registered - 33% of total registrants, they are most definitely NOT coming out to vote in droves. (it is harder to figure out the students that live in districts 1 & 4, but i suspect there are similar patterns)
about 55-60 woodland pond residents also voted yesterday, that is, 6-7% of total voters. but here are only 140ish total registrants, they represent only 4% of all registered voters. now, that that is a much higher turnout rate.
more to come when i have final, official data
Terrance,
Fire Dept DOES NOT have a modulator.
And they are willing to always help the public, the sour taste in people's mouths, was caused by the former village admin. You ask so much from VOLUNTEERS, you know, maybe YOU should volunteer. You cant expect someone from the fd to sit there ALL night with you to record peoples reactions. They do enough already.
Anonymous,
Take a deep breath and reread what I wrote before you get upset. I said, "there is a modulator in the building." It's upstairs in the village offices. The willingness needed by the fire department would be to allow a hole to be drilled and some cable run. I never even hinted that I would expect them to run the cameras . . . we have plenty of people qualified and willing to do that, so the firemen can focus their volunteer hours on their lifesaving activities.
Have I satisfied your concerns? Is asking for a hole more than the department is willing to agree to? I kinda doubt it, but I always have assumed the best about people.
I've done a detailed analysis of the "student vote" since the election of Tom Nyquist in his final term, through the 2007 election. I used very generous criteria for determining whether a voter was a "student" or not - anyone aged 25 or less living in Districts 9, 1 and 4. The "student vote" is a myth in each case, as the number of presumed students participating does not constitute the margin of victory. Based on what I saw at the polling place on Tuesday, as I was present from noon through 9:00pm, this past election was no exception to that rule. While it makes for good scare tactics, the long rumored/feared/solicited "student vote" does not exist.
This isn't exactly related to the results of the election but... how is it that the folks at Woodland Pond vote in the village elections? Aren't they outside of the village borders and are only in the town?
The village boundary line juts out on that east side and catches the land that Woodland Pond sits on.
Paul, you are correct that Woodland Pond being part of the village defies reason. It probably would never have been built (at least in its present form) had it been under the purview of the town's zoning code and planning board; the village's code is completely unprepared for developments of this type. For example, the town's planning board expects a viewshed analysis on something this large as a matter of course, but the village's planning board (prior to my membership) didn't even contemplate the impact because the ridge isn't in the village, so who cares about impacts on tourism?
So yes, it's in the village, while neighboring Lent Farms is not. Go figure.
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